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Pasted from Lujan quote above:
"For example; if you stand in front of a mirror you see yourself. But first you have to create the mirror for that reflection to occur in terms of consciousness.
We are fishermen of attention.
Everything sweeps to define the reflection of their attention on the constructs created there within.
Alignment occurred, yes, with beings. This within itself is complex. This deal was made millennia ago. No doubt this is understood. But what is not understood is that for symbiosis to occur, the entities that we encountered applied their awareness to our application of attention. The rest is self explanatory".....

when i first read castaneda's art of dreaming, it was fascinating and really gave me something to filter my natural frequent lucid dreaming through... but something always felt like it was out of alignment with clarity - every sentence of his i read, apart from when he is quoting Don Juan, who feels in clarity. Like for me, Carlos reached a glass ceiling and couldnt develop further due to not being able to heal his emotions, that he carried from the past. Over time i have developed a sense of what i feel went on with carlos in his dreaming. This will make more sense to others who have some eastern medical knowledge, i suppose... but id love to hear responses to this...

the dreambody & astral aspect of soul is said to be housed in the liver in eastern medical thought. this refers to aspects of consciousness and pyscho-emotional energies that are "related" to the liver by being of similar freqency. The consciousness of the liver is the part of you that navigates your way forwards, and maintains the free flow of energy, thought,emotion, all free flow.. so wherever there is stuck thoughts, difficult emotions, physical pain or blockage of ANY kind, it relates to this aspect of consciousness not being in Free Flow... frustrated yet motivated people who have a drive to conquer & master pathways in life are associated with a personality archetype of liver / element wood. In all his books i feel his constantly frustrated resistant yet determined way of learning.
Carlos developed Liver cancer - a kind of cancer that takes years of repressed and frustrated anger to manifest in oneself... the kind of person who doesnt want to feel anger, yet it is there and denied... If you were to "go inside" a liver, you would be inside a dark multitunnelled structure, much like being inside a soft spongey kind of coral...
Carlos ended up dreaming dreaming dreaming and lost dreaming inside a dark multi-tunelled structure, much like being inside a soft spongey kind of coral... he met many inorganic beings- were these perhaps the cells of his own liver that were turning from life to non-life by becoming cancerous?....

In tunneshende's books she write about responding to carlo's call for help to get out of this realm... i believe he was lost inside his own liver.. he was lost to find these emotions to be released and integrated inside himself - he was dreaming in here because he knew he was looking for these emotions to be healed.. yet he didnt recognise where he was & this is all his reflection...so he could progress no further in this life, this way. there is no more flow.

i imagine that might upset a few people, im not here for controversy, just heart's true sensings that we can share for evolving intelligence... while his writings have done amazing things for us all.. i cannot feel clarity in the heart frequency of his art of dreaming work, i feel his pain, confusion, resistance and lost curiosity....so i wouldn't recommend others use it as a guide... we have better guides and information now that is carrying newer codes in the evolution of loving intelligence...

ALoha Jessicar,

good question.. i have had fun with that one, applying it to various thoughts ive had on dreaming while i think about it...
In general, at the point in my journey where i conceptualized cc's dreaming this way it was a kind of reminder for me that dreaming as a path itself is the best teacher of dreaming. I realised that it was not the highest approach for me to base my lucid dreaming explorations on CC's work or book, which at the time I had been so inspired in my exposure to. This was related to a) not putting others on pedestals, seeing the divine and the human in all, even those who have inspired so much & planted seeds required at certain times...
and b) that thru this conceptualisation i tapped into the meme of "old sorcerors" and "new"... and i felt how the cycle was shifting into a new one and my personal path is aligned with some of the newer codes that are coming through dreamers. CC's work was perhaps prequel to this part of the cycle we are in now, if you wanna think of a linear timeline.. Just different frequencies for different times and beings...

I reaslise you didnt ask why did i post this conceptualisation, however as it's connected to how did it help me -i posted to share this idea because this thread began with SL's questions for advice about dreaming within a CC discourse of what to do with non-organic beings... I agree with Glance's response- something about not to get caught up in the novelty of dreaming.... Or in another's novelty of dreaming. I dont know if my conceptualisation helps me today or more so at a particular point which is now in my past that i still have gratitude for today...

interesting to me to at this part of my journey is to wonder if you might have meant, "how does conceptualising anything about anyone else help you on your own path of dreaming?"
And then i feel like it gets very juicy because i think of the natural psychic development that occurs along pathways to emptiness- whether by lucid dreaming or other ways.... i dont think this is the goal, just a development, and can be wonderful for helping people when channelled into service with a pure heart... I find there are so many teachings with this for the Ego - you need to trust and be confident in your intuition.. yet if you think you are Good because you can lucid dream, or sense with clarity, then your path is limited by this. I find this resides in the place where I can remember that it is not me so much as me getting out of the way for the divine to come through.... then the ego can still pop up its head and say "Oh goody on me i have learnt how to get out of the way!"....
mmmm juicy.

i feel like you asked that question, with an interesting answer of your own in mind.. do you have one to share?