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Yes, Tiff is doing all this only to show everyone she's got the best goggles.
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Jonalith Enexseenge |
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Lex,
Would you ever star in a movie? All posts
submitted by Kyle Milliken © copyright.
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glance left |
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Think about that pm you sent me, Lex...and, really, why you sent it with respect to Jonalith's seeming non sequitur |
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Lex, The Stalker
I like how you turned the tables on it and make me in your shoes. That's an all time clever stalking job. The plot is folly. The underpinnings are what binds people to their plots. Free the underpinnings through exposure, and you free the person from their plots, and they can practice controlled folly instead of stalk others. You have many threads on this forum, that are presentations of Lex's view. The Battlestar Galactica and the Prodigal Son and one about the Garden of Eden (don't remember its name), and many more. You create these posts that are very academic approaches to warriorism, and then as people flock and read these threads, you keep them going with more and more information, you create. The people must stay in your area of perception, you are at the helm delivering the knowledge to them, to help them "understand" and be set free by the truth, which is your truth. You don't want to lose your audience because then your threads would not have anyone to come and admire them and you. Stringing people along, unresolved, having them flock to you instead of speaking from their own voice free of your intellectual jargon. You like authority, you like being the one to lead people. In the recap forum, you went off on so many tangents with biblical stuff and the long thread about recapitulation where you used all those dictionary definitions and other crap. And as I read these things I wondered why you were so off on your tangents that had nothing to do with what we were doing there. Lujan came in and spoke to you about it and so I gave you space at that time to express where it was you were coming from. I thought you might just be confused about what we were doing because you were relatively new to that forum at the time. And even with all your threads here on the forum, I knew they had an "authoritarian" nature about them, such as "I am your teacher, everyone listen to ME". But I didn't know to what degree you coveted this. I felt at times it was simply your writing style and the way you expressed yourself. And now that I see here in this thread, how you are taking me on directly, I see how much it means for you to have this kind of influential power over other people and how hard you will fight to keep it. I see because who you really are is emerging here, and now I can recap these other times on the forum and it all communicates to me what you have been doing since you came here. And how you don't want what you had here to change. You want other people to be spiritually underdeveloped than you and you can lead them to their freedom through your truths. What you see me as being here is really a reflection of yourself. You see me as gathering all these people under my spell, when in fact it is you. You think you have an advantage here, because you can say I confront, and when I confront I have an agenda. And now, look at Lex, he doesn't confront, (except he can confront a confronter) so he must not have an agenda. "He's just a well-intentioned participant of this forum who contributes thoughtful posts that make people think and free themselves through his elucidations." But guess what? Lex doesn't confront because he's happy to have people gobble up his "teachings" and as long as they are "with him" their salvation is at hand, so what's to confront? he thinks. As long as people listen to him, and like what he says, they must be on the path of truth. And shame on Tiffany for coming in and asserting her agenda by confronting these nice people just because she wants control. Lets go back to the days when Lex could get a following of admirers to read his threads. |
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sounds like religion
You're braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think.
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Lex, I had the feeling this morning that you would begin to undermine the whole circumstance by PMing people. Glance can you please post this communication.
It is a general deceptive tactic to redeploy the energy of others elsewhere so that the strength of their attention is divided away from the central battle,
which is a war tactic.
In this way the power of what needs to be said here is said elsewhere. It is a guarding technique that shields others' eyes from viewing what is really going on here. Now Lex you are really traversing deeply beneath yourself and I would like you to stop. You said that and this about Tiffany, which means nothing as far as I am concerned. I asked her specifically to hone her skills of clarity upon other people's acts so as to bring clarity and thus far this has occurred. So now you are attacking her. The next person will be me. You have asked her to define the difference between what she is doing and stalking. To do this she would have to venture into the content of the book that is being written by me. As I speak to you indirectly via these words Lex I directly feel in the center of my being the need to walk away from you. You said that you are rediverting attention away from Sydney. Persyd is now not the issue. You are and what a wild horse all are riding now because of you. You said you don't like the direction the forum is going in. If this is the direction then I will state categorically it is simply not the direction that I would consider a good one for this forum. And by the word forum I mean the living souls that are embroiled within the living eddy you are creating. You said that you had no success in communal connectivity in the communities you built and that they fell to pieces. If this is your style it is built upon shadows and lies. As an indirect manipulation of your seeing the truth that your wife says that you are capable of applying. But unfortunately you are choosing to apply yourself here because of your need for superiority, intellectually, to the point that you are becoming a bully, the very thing that you have stated that Tiffany is being. She is an extremely gentle and courteous human being. I know because within my presence I have observed her. I would advise you strongly now to come and see me and stop this nonsense and if you cannot come and see me then I would say stop this nonsense until you do. You see Lex, I am a simple man. Direct here, direct in flesh. You have no time to embroil others directly and indirectly in a course that has something other than their heart to be considered and this is exactly where we were going with persyd and I certainly will ask you to leave if you continue. The only statements that can truly have value for you here is to tell you what you want to hear and what you want is to be told to leave and if you want I will do so if you continue. If you need a line to be drawn I will draw it for you and if this is what you need to consider your circumstances of your person within that embroils all these people from without thenI will do so. Now I will ask you Lex to stop and consider who you are in comparison to the people you affect and that is who you are. |
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I can assure you Lex that there is a difference between stalking and not stalking as this has been my primary learning curve these past few months. (Not an
easy one! LOL) The difference can only be seen when one drops the stalking, at least for a moment. And I will say the difference is subtle yet the implications
are far reaching and expand exponentially as this new realisation grows.
Because you are stalking, it appears as though those who are not stalking are actually stalking as well. This appearance I know from experience is not a mirage type thing it is actually a very tight and flawless illusion. I feel that the tighter the stalking, the more tightly everything else appears to be stalking also. It all "fits in" to that mold, complete with the "obvious evidence" to back it up. This is what you have done with Tiffany in the previous post and yes I used to see it that way too because I was stalking. So how to escape this perspective? And yes, you do need to escape wherever you happen to be... why not eh? In my own case what broke the stalking down was the gradual realisation that the basis of that perspective was social conditioning. In effect, all of stalking is reliant upon social imprints to function. The whole world is stalking and the proficient stalkers become more subtle and more abstract with it and this would appear to be the way out... the imprints become less substantial. But really they still rely on conditioned imprinting. But what has emerged on the forum here lately is something else entirely. A different option completely. It is very difficult to detect unless one embraces it for themselves. Your main problem now is that your stalking perspective is so "functional" that you seem not to even realise that something radically new is banging on your door. It is you who needs to remove the goggles of stalking my friend :-) I look forward to seeing your eyes. Usually when a new perspective is presented you become very curious and humble in a way that is of service to the greater understanding of this perspective. This is a beautiful thing. Also, you can be aggressive in questioning the perspective presented, especially when you see it as false or misleading. This can also be a good thing you do but right now you are back to front. Meeting a new perspective with agressiveness instead of curiosity because you do not see that it is a new perspective at all. This stance is simple stubbornness - the down side of standing ones ground and questioning what is presented. Doing so at the wrong moment. In TAOSPP Barak tells Lujan that his imprint of fiercely questioning authority would be a strength for him but only if he has resolved the deep emotional resonance, otherwise he would stand up and fight when he should not, or back down when he should fight. This is what Im seeing you doing. The context is moving you toward a new frontier that is not yet noticeable for you cause you are still as yet unresolved in relation to it. For most of us here, this shift has come about through acute confrontation. The "aha" moment often only comes afterward... LOL. Im curious to observe how it unfolds for you, as I do believe it is inevitable. |
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I have revealed Tiffany's stalking. If she is unable to admit it as I was I don't know what to say.
For everyone else to abandon their objectivity for bias party lines I find weak. I have said all I can in this regard. No need to draw a line Lujan. I believe in what everyone here is trying to accomplish here, there is just a ways to go yet in how you go about it. There is something I wish to leave you with. When we act in service and are aware of how we are a conduit of this service it has a propensity to gather an attachment. In this case our emptiness is not as empty as we suppose. It is full of a spiritual being, being spiritual in the service of all. Even this one must go. That is just an objectification of a subjective self. There is another movement beyond this. Revealing Tiffany was easy and I have always been reluctant to do this sort of thing because I am not convinced it has any worth. (Folly) Contained in this thread is something that was not anticipated before hand by me. It has not been spoken of as of yet. Perhaps one day someone would be so kind as to email me upon its discovery. Lex
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nagual wrote:It is true Lex. Lujan asked me. He said to me at the time he asked me that I have a proclivity for uncovering the truth. I feel this is from the Lujan family and also my paternal side, many gifts from these families. Lujan has always monitored this forum. So, to say what you say, you are saying Lujan cannot see what has been occurring on his own forum. You have never met Lujan, or actually you did but do not remember it, but I assure you he is more powerful than his forum presence conveys. It is a lonely path you will embark on if you chose not to trust his integrity. Look at his life, the gifts he's been given, and you chose your own seeing that contradicts what he's telling you? And I'm not saying doubt yourself, I'm saying Lujan's voice has contradicted your perceptions, again and again in these posts he's made. So one has to ask in such a circumstance, is Lujan right or am I right? I know it is a value to trust one's self, but here's a secret--one's self cannot always be trusted. Knowing when this is the case is the key to everything, it is what transforms. Jaguar visiting you should have been an indication of your power in relation to Lujan's. Obviously Lujan has more power. It is not a boast to say this. It is simply something that can be made absolutely clear to a person, especially if one sees him face to face. In your case, it didn't even have to be face to face. Now in your stubborn declaration, you will say you are right and no one else can see it. And where is that path you are on going to lead you Lex? |
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"Glance can you please post this communication" Lujan
"Lex, Would you ever star in a movie?" Kyle I feel that Kyle felt something that prompted his comment...a comment that seems so out of place in the midst of the conversation at hand. A few days ago, Lex sent me a PM that had a video attached....seemingly pretty benign, really. The video shows him involved in a local festival..him as the mc for the event, going around interviewing all those who brought their crafts and treats and what-not for the event. He was showing me this light-hearted event in order to, by his report, show the option of the "lighter side" to us sometimes seemingly heavy handed warriors...as has perhaps been perceived by some who drop in and experience the confrontational nature of the PP forum first hand. I didn't think much of the video (I'll post it in a sec) in terms of it revealing anything about what Lex was up to with respect to recent confrontation by Lujan and Tiffany. I thought he seemed very light hearted and at ease in the role of mc talking to all those participants. But, there was something that felt off. I wondered why he showed me the video....really. There was something about displaying himself in a commanding role..in a facilitating role....that felt off. It felt like a promotional video, in a way.....one that featured Lex, showcasing his ease in the role of someone who leads...who facilitates. I didn't comment on this though....and responded to him that it looked like he was having fun and was completely in his element. All true. But, with respect to what is going on here in this thread...and with the non sequitur that Kyle put up about asking if Lex would like to "star in a film"...I realize that, yes, Lex truly IS in his element when behind the microphone....behind the microphone and in the drivers seat. This pm inadvertently reveals you Lex.....your need to present yourself in a position in charge...albeit a kind and soothing leader, but one who enjoys the role none-the-less. All that soothing, easy-going demeaner dissappears when it is exposed for what it is. Here's the pm and the vid. I wanted to share the video clip I sent Lujan that he mentioned. Often times we can come across so heavy in the forum. I thought this might show a lighter side. I am selling the web sites usually, this video was just a promotion we were doing. See Strawberry festival video. http://www.westcapemaytoday.com/ Lex |
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lex icon wrote: i felt you were seeing this in everyone so i stopped engaging you as i figured this would be the outcome. but for you to assume anyone or everyone is abandoning their objectivity weakly for biased party lines is unfair to accuse of. it seems to reveal you as the one being weak. i wanted you to know i disagree because i feel you are off. |
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nagual wrote:Lex's PM to Glance: I wanted to share the video clip I sent Lujan that he mentioned. Often times we can come across so heavy in the forum. I thought this might show a lighter side. I am selling the web sites usually, this video was just a promotion we were doing. See Strawberry festival video. show a lighter side to Glance "I have revealed Tiffany's stalking. If she is unable to admit it as I was I don't know what to say." Lex, we are revealing to you your stalking. If you cannot admit it, it is you who loses. Even though you want to win. You lose by winning. Your alternate choice is, you win by accepting. You win the opportunities Lujan is presenting you with. As one of the core people surrounding him. A core group that will continue to grow exponentially. Some more on the jaguar incident. That Sunday Lujan and I talked on skype for the book. Your situation came up and Lujan said you really didn't know what had occurred, the full ramifications. I asked Lujan about it, he said he could see in that thread that you would eventually just go away. And he told me he didn't want to lose you as a friend, so he focused on you and Jaguar leapt at you. I asked Lujan "so you were intentionally focusing on Lex?" Lujan said "yeah, for like 5 hours." I said "what did it do?" and he said "it broke him out of the stasis he was in." and indeed you came to the forum after that with a new perspective that was refreshing. But as Lujan has told me once when I asked if a person was resolved because of a confrontation, he said "it is never that easy" meaning, we have to go through these things again and again and again. And Lujan is always one to understand this. But he doesn't veer off his path to track down another if power has not beckoned him to, so what this means is we have to do our parts or we won't be accommodated. And to say it plainly here, if you choose to leave like you are, I know Lujan will allow you to even though its not what he wants. Obviously he considers you a very dear friend. You have no idea Lex. You are just on your own bandwagon and you can't see what's going on around you. Just because you are a business man with a suave sense of interrelating (I've seen suaver) you think you have it all figured out. |
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Lex, this is what you posted the day after Jagur visited you. It portrays a different Lex than we are seeing here, and so for the sake of showing you your turn
about, I post here. This does not compromise book content.
lex icon wrote: Ok everyone, first thank you! Last night wow! Had it not been for what I am about to say about something that happened last night, I doubt I would have been back to this forum. During my exchange with Lujan last night this is what happened. I felt this pressure building in my chest it was very intense! Then I began to hear a sound of what sounded like the deep rolling moaning of a cat. I kept hearing it I was surprised the dog wasn't curious about it. I even got out of my chair and opened the front door, fully expecting to see a cat there. There was not. The pressure continued, the noises and the pressure seemed to conspire to completely disorient me. I have never felt anything quite like it. I felt at that point I needed to withdraw. It was at that point Lujan you asked me to get on Skype with you. In that disoriented state I thought it would have been impossibe to interact with you and I felt very vunerable to say the least. I was glad I did not have to actually speak with you. I think I would have just fell apart. So I said "no thank you". At that moment I certainly did not want to expose myself. I was thinking just get away and never come back lol. I then went to bed and the pressure continued but now I could focus on it more, not having to speak with anyone. The pressure subsided a little and moved into the area about 3 inches above my navel. Then it seemed to go back and forth. I had a restless night. Today I was examining my feelings. The fear and distrust of everyone in these interactions was unreasonable on my part. I have seen it happen to others so many times in the forum yet somehow I thought I was immune to it, "above it all" so to speak. Then to see how unwiling I was to go anywhere near this in myself, I thought wow what a pussy! So here I am. You have my attention to say the least. Tiffany I will probably flare up again. I will probably want to run away and hide again, If you see that happening just call me a pussy and get your snake handling gloves on. You know I can be a self righteous, conceited prick at times and very aloof. I wouldn't want to deal with that shit and yet you Lujan and Glance did. Lucky I don't realy know but thanks too. Can we do the pressure thing again? What is pressure???? Lujan, I am a cracked gourd. I need to get this perimeter sealed. Lex glance left wrote:nagual wrote: two lizards wrote: lucky wrote: lex icon wrote:You don't know me because you have been withdrawn as long as I've been here, lol.
I read almost everything here, including the list of members active in the last 24 hours. I even take a count to see the waxing and waning of visitations.
So I know who's coming and going, whether or not they are posting, and the content of their attention - at least to the degree available to me within the context of the forum. If the log of links each member clicks on was available to me I would read that too.
yillecka wrote: Hi Lex, you disappeared about the time I arrived, about a year ago. I used to read you posts and then it became very quiet. I also wondered what happened to you and felt that something had, but not knowing you at all, I kept quiet. Which is something I often do, even when I feel something going on. Perhaps I shall need to step up a little more too. But it sounds like you woke up some big cat that might jump on your back if you stay in the dark! Tiffany wrote: Yes, Lex, that was very heart felt, very sincere. I've been there too, and I have to be humbled everyday still. Even though I'm extremely honest, there is always somethign more for me to see and it is not always flattering. So I do understand, and I appreciate, respect your honestly in just saying what you felt even though it is not flattering. To be flattered, that is, to allow flattering thoughts to dominate us means we are possessed by them, becasue they will say "if others find this out about you, that you are not 'all that' then you'll have nothing." And its true that in the social realm, to be this honest can be like lamb to the slaughter. I know, I used to be honest with people that weren't resolved and they didn't appreciate it and used it to their advantage to manipulate me. |
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Its now time for me to say "Lex you are a pussy"...now where did I put those snake handling gloves?
Come on Lex You know you are meant to be here with us.
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Tiffany I was also in the process of doing what you have done here. There is obviously more but it cannot be revealed.
What is occurring here Lex is your inconsistencies in terms of the barrage of attacks that have occurred from you in this thread. The pseudo safety that you perceived you had in terms of management not being revealed is as such. Your weakness. Not in terms of you being weakened but a valuable and essential input to this thread to show you that you cannot hide one thing and speak another. As you have done in this thread, speaking one way, and in a hidden thread in management speaking in a way that reveals what you are not revealing here. The first thing to do for you is to come to terms with this blatant inconsistency and your loss of control by virtue of Tiffany's input. The core underpinning that you've arrived at that you are not seeing is that you wish to be the dominant proponent that wields the sword of inner silence. Yet you don't realize the sword you hold binds you to form itself and the two edges of this blade not only cut your circumstances but simultaneously cut you as well. This is clearly not formlessness nor the third attention awareness. It is the first attention fixation upon dreaming yourself into a pseudo position of second attention dominance, which delivers the recipient, you, into an illusory position that moves static pieces, not too dissimilar to a game of chess and when the check mate occurs all the pieces are put back to their original position and the game starts again. In the post that I deleted that was mine I put forward that you must stop the beer drinking and cigar smoking. The pictures that you sent of you standing in expensive boats which clearly show what you have obtained in your own mind in comparison to others' struggles in the world at large. Then a video of your ease and capacity to usher is only a reflection of your need for integration in that which you said you have escaped, even though it is a job. To turn this all around, it is not what you do. It is how you do it. And it is not who you are, it is what you do with who you are that defines you. And if those you influence don't have the power to see what you do then your hands stretch into their lives inappropriately via control and this is what you must release. |
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nagual wrote:Lex, You seem to live an upper middle class life. Yet you have said here more than once that you cannot afford to go see Lujan. Maybe your money is all tied up in possessions, but that shouldn't be a deterrent. Possessions can be sold to free up the budget, or luxuries (like beer and cigars) can be cut out and the money that previously went to that can be put into a savings. Now if you simply don't want to go see him, thats another story. But you haven't said that thus far. You have said essentially "I want to visit you Lujan, I just can't afford it." What you do is your decision, I just don't believe your hands are so tied that you can't get the funds together, which is what you are putting forth as your reason. And if what I said here is true, and you are just hiding behind financial excuses that are not truthful, then you are only doing yourself a disservice. What you experienced with Jagur from a distance--Lujan in Bali and you in NJ, had a huge impact upon you, this is obvious by your post. Just imagine seeing him face to face. I assure you he would be your friend, even if it was a confronting expereince. And you would grow so much from the expereince. Look at the tesimonials and how people have changed after going to see him. So if you are just making excuses, you are choosing to not be benefitted. And what is keeping you from that? The need to maintain what you've got going now? Even if its just status quo, more of the same ole same ole? There is so much more than that.
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Fight, Lex...FIGHT!
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