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Indigo wrote:
I have had an ongoing involvement of some sort with beings not from here, but as to the level of involvement I can't say for sure. The problem with the abduction scenario is that memories can be wiped with ease with them popping up years later as dream (or was it JUST a dream?). As a result of my own questions I have spent some time in this community of people and find an interesting corrolary between the spirit and alien involved dreams or experiences. After having spoken to some people who have had a history of abduction I am of the mind that some of the things going on are human. This leads into a rather undulating hole into our covert history into mind control programs (check out Project Paperclip it stems from there and the fact that we didn't just bring over nazi rocket scientists but the worst of the worst of the doctors who did MC experiments based on the reasoning that if the US did not get them, the Russians would). I know of one person who described being in an operating theater filled with aliens only to have that scene melt away as if some curtain was pulled away only to see very human men in lab coats holding clip boards. What they were doing to her was right out of an MC protocol which involved gleaning information on how the body can stop itself from bleeding and other physiological controls over the autonomous nervous system. While rare, there are other stories like this one where aliens were visiting someone and something happened and the person"woke up" only to see a team of very human men in the room. So there is that side of it.

The other side is what's happening with the Disclosure Project headed by Steven Greer. He has also begun work recently through his Orion Project which is an effort to develop technologies gleaned from government sources that purportedly reverse engineered alien tech. For as strange as this may sound, they already have at least one engineer who is working for them that worked for the govt. developing clean energy technology which as I understand it works off the principle of drawing energy from the vacuum of space all around us.

What I find interesting is that a dream that was particularly vivid that I had many years ago where I was on board an alien craft was nearly identical to a dream another person had who I share some form of tellepathy with, an energetic connection if you will. This person described the same device I saw while on board the craft. It involved how their gravity drive worked, although we both did not get a technical tour, we only looked down a shaft to see how the blades worked to power the thing.

Jim Sparks is one source who has written about his experiences and he has some interesting things to say in regards to all of this, most notably that some beings who met him in an abdandoned amusement park one night told him that his govt. HAD been given the gift of their technology which included energy systems, gravity drive and also an ability to create a holographic representation of objects to make them seem as though they were real. Of course you have to use discernment on all of this since the waters have been intentionally muddied.

Greer's disclosure project has a series of interviews by people in govt. who had some connection with the alien issue. One interview by Carol Rosin (on youtube) is particularly interesting to me in that she worked for the late Werner Von Braun in the 70's just before his death. Von Braun told her that he knew that our govt. had been creating problems wholecloth as an attempt at militarizing space and keeping the world on edge first with a Cold War, then he said there would be rogue nations, then after that there would be terrorism, then after that there would be a threat from asteroids, and he also said the mother of them all would be the alien threat, all of which he claimied would be entirely manufactured as a problem to keep us "busy" and to line the pockets of the war machine as well as to provide a reason for moving the militarization of humans into space. I Rosin came forward post 9/11 probably because she was seeing proof that what Von Braun had said back in the 70's was coming to pass. With as many questions that still surround 9/11 I tend to feel that its quite likely that we have been fed a steady stream of conflicts to keep us away from a path that would lead to a more sane world.

While this addresses mostly the terrestrial aspect of the so-called alien issue here now, I think its important to realize that some of this stuff is very likely being manufactured. I suspect discernment will be the key. Also, while reasearching the nuforc.org site I noted that there was a new type of ufo that was popping up. Since the data base allows for searching based on a number of serach terms I noted that the newer triangular black stealth-like covered vehicles showing up happen to follow in general a pattern in time that suggests a pilot's shift whereby these craft TEND to show up at certain times, almost always at night between 10 pm and 3:00 in the morning. So I suspect its one of ours, and based on how these craft move, it looks to be alien tech.

Now something very recently has been presented about the craft and their weird maneuvers. First, they seem to move incredibly fast, but the suggestion is that because they use gravity and thus also mess with time, that what we see on the ground is time sped up. People who drive under a craft will find they have missing time, and while the idea of missing time has long been thought of as an abduction experience which has been hidden in amnesiac barriers in the mind, its also equally possible that what is being experienced is a slowing/speeding up of time. Also, the craft supposedly develops a gravity field around itself which means that the occupants while taking increibly steep curves do not feel any forces whatsoever. Abductees do not report seeing seat belts of any type or harnesses in the area where piloting would take place (a number have seen this type of room).

In my own experience and research I have uncovered some things that I find most interesting and it means going back into history some. In the Nag Hammadi, there is talk of a being called an Archon. The Archons presented themselves as being like Gods. They could speed up time, they could move huge objects quickly, and they were troublesome to the people of the day. The Master, whom we assume was Jesus speaks to Phillip in one of the books about these beings and how to deal with them. It would seem that these beings are almost etherial, on the borderland of physical and non. Perhaps both. But what Jesus said to Phillip is striking because what he describes is hand in glove with what happens in the abduction scenario. John Lash in his metahistory.org site has caught on to this as well. Lash is a gnostic scholar although not a traditional one by any means. His contention is that the greys are these Archons, or some faction of them. Consider what the Master said about them; they have a countenance like a lion, which is fearsome. Once they instill fear in you, they grip you and take you by theft. They appear in threes with one being an overseer. They do not respect boundaries, and they seek to create a cross between their kind and our own. There are other elements that are the same, but in the abduction literature people feel a seething sense of fear around these beings afterwhich they are paralyzed and are taken aboard the craft where ovum are extracted from the females and sperm from the males in what we now know has become some kind of hybrid breeding program. I suspect the level of fear is about a reaction to connecting energetically with them. Most abduction scenarios involve three beings with two helping and one overseeing and administering whatever tests are performed. Lash suggests that the alien is as much a nonphysical being as a physical one and suggests these beings have been with us a long time. Coupled with this is a dirty secret in the abduction community which most researchers wont mention for fear of it looking too strange, but people who have had NDE's or near death experiences are reporting in greater numbers how these beings are showing up as part of the experience. Some seem to act as gate keepers (which is mentioned by Jesus in the Nag Hammadi), while some abductions involve meeting someone who has long since been dead but who looks alive. So there seems to be an unsual flow in and out of what we normally think of as real. I tend to feel these beings do not come from some distant star cluster in our space but exist in a parallel next to our own. Time, space, all of those things may well have been conquered by a better understanding of how space actually works and how one might move interdimensionally between those worlds.

One last thing about the MC issue which is that a few people I know who have been caught up in these programs have developed alien experiences as a result, seemingly, of their involvement in these human programs. I suspect as do they that the programs meant in part to heighten psychic ability through abuse protocols which has opened the door to percieving these beings more clearly as though they were physical, or somehow drew these beings to them. A cracking of the cosmic egg, so to speak, which was what the govt. was looking for in enhancing psi ability for intelligence purposes.

I tend to feel that this age is an important one, and have felt this since I was young. The Hopi in their prophecies speak of an age of great transition fraught with perils.....which path we take is ultimately our own decision en masse. Many contacts with these beings seem to suggest similar things coupled with environmental concerns about the state of our planet. Its very likely that each civilization tends to go through an arc of development that often leads to where we are right now, battling with the devils and angels of our greater nature. Do we move forward, do we grasp the future with clear eyes, or do we continue with blinders on? As is often the case, the answer in regards to these beings is not cut and dried, but nuanced and complex.

I have dreame of a race of beings that look just like us who are blonde and who struck me as special, highly developed. I have wondered if this is not a hybrid form or simply a race very similar to our own involving itself at this time in our world in some manner or another. As is always the case, these dreams have a level of vividness that stand out from other dreams. I'd put them in the class of medicine dreams. Interestingly, a matter of weeks before I began having a major energetic connection happening with someone else far from me, I ha a dream where I was standing before a young female being, not a grey, but a chalky white being with thick skin, much like how a porpoise might be instead of how our skin is. Her eye lids were shaped so that she was in a constant stare that looked surprised and her moth was in an "O" shape. Her eyes were flat....the eyeball was flat and more round than ours with a large black iris and a small but deep and penetrating ring of blue. She insisted that she try to kiss me, but that kiss was infact an exchange of breath that I now know to have been an energetic exchange. What I felt in that dream would emerge in my energetic connectivity experiences with this counterpart who lives far from me. I suspect this being was aware of this event ocurring in me. Oddly, the same person who saw the same engine aboard a craft in dream also had a dream about this same type of being. IN the abdcution literature these beings are reported and I saw someone's drawings of them and they were a dead ringer for what I had seen. They have an intensity about them that is penetrating. They carry with them an energy that is off the scale and you can feel it when you interact with them. Its extremely aware and "awake" for lack of a better term

Black Elk had something very interesting to say about the UFO's when still alive. He said they were not what they appeared to be, that they were like jokers in a sense.

One guy who worke directly with the EBE's in govt. programs (aliens) claims that they called the aliens the Heinz 57 issue since there were that many here in some capacity now. This man has his interview recorded through the Disclosure Project. most of those interviews are now available on youtube or googlevideo.

For what its worth....