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"Glance, I told you maybe two or three months ago that something will eventuate that will involve Spectral. This is what I was talking about."

Yes...I remember that you said exactly this. I confess, I was flabbergasted....couldn't imagine how it would transpire. In fact, I was thinking specifically about what you said over the last few days reading this thread, wondering if this indeed is the event. And now, you confirm the synchronicity!

I will continue to observe...and make every effort not to interfere.

Ok...this is just coming in...just now. I remember you saying this to me, Lujan...and thinking initially "Spectral? No way! He's so advanced...and seems so deeply seated in his heart with the evidence of joy and buoyancy and enthusiasm as an obvious testament to it!" But after we finished the exchange, I had the distinct impression about something that may indeed smack of subtle control from Spectral.

Spectral, I'll address you now with this. The impression I had, after talking to Lujan, had to do with your mapping of the different colored pillars that you see as being different energetic "signatures" that seems to be associated with everything that is coming into your view....even in the context of our posts here in the forum. When I reflected upon your mapping of what you see in these altered states, I had the slightest twinge of the impression of a need for control. It had something of the flavor of the old sorcerers mapping those different dreaming worlds with the implementation of that "tool" or "handle", the assemblage point....a maneuver that seems to have grown from that fundamental need for control. I had a fleeting impression of you making your map into a device with which you could teach....instruct....guide....corral....or "herd" as Lujan put it a couple posts ago. The map gives you authority.

In fact, I remember something, just now, that relates to this impression. I remember you mentioning in the same context of conversation concerning your magical mapping techniques that you considered yourself the most sensitive person that you know...something along those lines. That occasion itself was the first time I'd seen you directly confronted by those in here in the forum...confronted about your perceived elitism. In fact, I remember that when you faced the confrontation squarely that a tremendous shift occurred in you..one that brought tremendous insights to your awareness that helped break through fundamental boundaries that were impeding you at the time. Do you remember this incident?

So yes....now that I reflect clearly, I remember this subtle yet clear impression after you, Lujan, talked with me about Spectral and what was approaching him. OK..now I'm truly galvanized.

Spectral, I hope that you can simply willingly and openly face what is confronting you now...as you did last year. Follow it through and see what happens. I have the feeling that there are gorgeous handfuls of treasure if you are willing to follow this "map" here in this thread.....ephemeral treasure not to grab hold of or hide in the sand...but to experience directly!

"How about Spectral being confronted in the past and not staying and addressing it? I always respond to others posts. To not respond is to shirk personal responsibility to what is presented."

I don't think this is always the case, no. I think it depends on what it is that is being "presented". One can remain in their integrity without a single word in response. Take, for instance, Jesus on trial before Pontius Pilate...he didn't say a word in his defense....remained almost completely silent:

"When he (Jesus) was accused by the chief priests and the elders, he gave no answer. Then Pilate asked him, "Don't you hear the testimony they are bringing against you?" But Jesus made no reply, not even to a single charge - to the great amazement of the governor." Matthew 27: 12-14

Now this is a clear cut case where the accusers were the ones with the agenda...fearing for their loss of control and the disruption of their power. Jesus was well within his integrity by not responding to their accusations because he knew that words of truth would be wasted on them. His impassivity was his integrity.

Or, here's a better example. When PerSyd was laying havoc here in the the forum, being malicious and vile in every way possible to everyone that would give her a modicum of attention, we were all asked to ignore her posts...both private and public..in order to give her melee attack nothing to rest upon. Another extreme case of integrity in not responding to "what is presented". So, in this case, even you don't "always respond to others posts."

These are extreme cases, I know, but there are plenty of varying examples in between. I've posted to others here in the forum many times without a response and didn't think anything of it....or simply thought about why I needed a response in the first place if I actually felt "hurt" from the lack thereof.

In the case of Spectral, I think that it's important that he respond and respond directly....that we all will gain tremendously from it if he does. And in this situation...in the way it is presented, I get what you mean.

"You see his words here as carrying truths, I do not see this."

Yes. So be it. You see what you see and I see what I see. I'm perfectly satisfied with that and see no difficulty here. I respect your truth...but I also respect mine.

"I see what was hidden is now out in the open and cannot be denied, yet feeble attempts are being made, and for no benefit. Utter uselessness."

I am inclined to agree in seeing what you and Lujan have perceived as being hidden. The last part of your comment..."and for no benefit. Utter uselessness" is yours. You can have it. Again, there was synchronous truth in what Spectral said and I've verified it in my direct experience...all of it in spite of what Spectral is possibly hiding. So, for me, it wasn't "utter uselessness" at all...it was illuminating in fact.

Were you implying that the conclusion of "utter uselessness" need be one made by everyone here?











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"To compare Spectral and Persyd is simply ludicrous"

Tiffany,

I never compared Spectral to Persyd. In fact, I made the distinction between the two right there in my post.

I said,

"These are extreme cases, I know, but there are plenty of varying examples in between. I've posted to others here in the forum many times without a response and didn't think anything of it....or simply thought about why I needed a response in the first place if I actually felt 'hurt' from the lack thereof.

In the case of Spectral, I think that it's important that he respond and respond directly....that we all will gain tremendously from it if he does. And in this situation...in the way it is presented, I get what you mean."

I used these cases because you said, specifically,

"How about Spectral being confronted in the past and not staying and addressing it? I always respond to others posts. To not respond is to shirk personal responsibility to what is presented."

Ah, well. Yes, you're right. I'm being legalistic about the syntax of your post. In this one you used the word "always"...and in a previous post, in this thread I think, you used the word "NEVER" with respect to responses to others' posts. My focus on syntax here comes from my time with Cleargreen within which we were taught the value of being careful with syntax like this...being definitive with our words in this way: "I never do that!" "I'm always this way and that way...never THAT way" "He's always an asshole" "She's always a bitch"...so on and so forth....you get the gist. They believed that accumulation of syntax within the dialog of this nature is what entraps us in the long run. So, this is where my *tut-tut* is coming from. And, as I clearly mentioned in my post, I do see the difference between the situation where response is warranted and silence is avoidance....and situations where silence is warranted and response is simply fueling the fire.


"All my words are saying is its utterly useless to support the agenda of the shadow's dream. When something is exposed, its best to acknowledge it rather then find ways to cover up what was exposed. To shelter agendas is utterly useless, always and forever."


Again, perhaps I'm being to legalistic in how I interpreted your words, Tiffany. When you said...

"You see his words here as carrying truths, I do not see this. I see what was hidden is now out in the open and cannot be denied, yet feeble attempts are being made, and for no benefit. Utter uselessness.

For, how can one speak the truth when they are hiding skeletons in their closet"


...I heard you rejecting what I saw....the truth that resonated with me in spite of what Spectral may be hiding. Then I linked together, in context, your words of "no benefit" and "utter uselessness" with your next statement "For, how can one speak the truth when they are hiding skeletons in their closet." To me, I felt you were saying that anything that someone else says when they are hiding something is "useless" and of "no benefit". Do you see how I made that connection? I felt that, in this statement, the tendency is to throw the baby out with the bath water. Let me give an example from my personal experience....

I go to AA meetings. It's not that I believe that going is what keeps me from drinking. First of all, it is mandated by the state that health care professionals go to these meetings if they've been proven, clinically, to be alcoholics. Well, clinically....I was...am....was..lol.
So, in order to keep working in health care, which is where my skill set is and has been for the last 15 years, I have to go to these meetings. Now, there are two ways that I can approach what's going on in these meetings. I can say to myself that these people, these self professing alcoholics, are deluding themselves into believing that they require 12 step meetings for the rest of their lives in order to remain sober...and, to do so, that they have to announce, and believe in the announcement, that "My name is so-and-so...and I'm an alcoholic", thereby reaffirming their dependency on these groups and the formulaic "steps" contained therein. If I say this to myself...that these people are hiding their fear of going against the "group conscience" to find their own insular personal power...I might be inclined to dismiss whatever it is that they have to say in these meetings as being contaminated...."useless." Thankfully, I've had a lot of time to think about my stance in these meetings. Instead of dismissing the whole thing as "useless"...I began listening intently to what people were saying..knowing full well that they weren't necessarily disclosing the whole truth...hell, some of them were bullshitting completely from one syllable to the next. But, in laying aside "judgment" and thus dismissal, I began to listen for something abstract within the words that they were saying...something that was sneaking in around the obvious "lie." When I did this, I noticed that the Spirit was bringing things to my attention in a most profound and subtle fashion. I started to notice synchronicities of resonant truth being brought to bear over and over and over again in the context of these conversations. AND, as a matter of fact, I heard others say that they themselves were noticing these synchronicities happen, in strange and unlikely ways, within the context of these conversations...whether the person engaged in the discussion was completely "full of shit" or not!

This is related to what I've experienced in Spectral's posts here in this thread. There was synchronous inspiration there for me...without a shadow of a doubt....REGARDLESS of whether he's hiding skeletons within the context of posting what he posted. Now, just because I see the synchronicities that I know are the orchestrations of the Spirit here in his posts doesn't mean that he shouldn't be confronted about what he is hiding. To me, that's a separate issue entirely.

I hope that clarifies where I'm coming from. Again, there is still a part of me that is attempting to bridge a lot of what I am learning here...the direct truths that shine in this forum...with what I've learned before...a seemingly more indirect approach that was evident in the precepts brought to us via Cleargreen: wheel within a wheel.

Seriously though.....I've been getting many synchronous messages of late about my tendency towards haste.....one very poignant one, in fact, in the last AA meeting I went to two days ago! More synchronicity...

So, I hear you loud and clear. I will make the adjustment and observe.